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Vile's 120 archer guide
« on: June 20, 2014, 05:46:24 PM »
So you want to be an archer eh? Well there's no need to cover the basics on how to play the game, because honestly if you're already 120 you should know how to play the class. I'm just going to pretty much cover the basics regarding build and item combinations.

Your uniques (damage):
poor:  Intel Shuta 1/1 + Intel Ohk 1/1 + Faren 3/3 (x2 Stamina lv 6 + ele cloak)
rich:    Intel Shuta 3/3 + Intel Ohkeros 3/3 + Excellent Faren 3/3 (x2 Stamina lv 6 + ele cloak)
ROLLING IN THE BENJAMINS: Int shuta 3/3 x2 + intel ohk 3/3 + Exc Feathereds 3/3 x2 + Exc faren 3/3 + Intel Luke 3/3 (more elemental damage).

Pretty much with the damage is you'd like to find a perfect mix of cooldown reduction (79%-87% preferably) while maintaining more than 200 elemental damage.

Your uniques (tank):
Archers aren't tanks. If you're going to try and build a archer that can tank I can only suggest Intel Yalquinas 3/3 , Excellent Yalquinas 3/3 or Excellent/Intel Sentinels 3/3 - which are all pretty expensive.

Your gear: Keep the necessities - Physical Resistance, HP, Skill Awakening - if you can afford Combined magicals - use one. Other than that, stamina in the helmet, and SCIONS EVERYWHERE. 2 in boots, 2 in gloves, 1 or 2 in pants (archers don't really need the skill block because of rock skin).

120 Archer build: This is something that I would use, http://archlord.drwx.eu/sbuilder.php?c=Archer&l=120&h=000d1013161915080b0e11140d101316192124272a2d2b2e31343726292c2f320606161e0a16191c1f222e323436383a383c3234363e40424446323436383a3e404345474345474747494b47494b5a5b5c5d5e5f5d5e5f606162655f606162636465666768696f&rf=3005000001011010055510055000510010053324353313333513031

With this build you have 14 extra skill points to do whatever you want with, if you'd like to farm in CF or HH - I would suggest putting a point in snare shot, burst shot, or perhaps even arrow hail (low mana cost AOE's).
Or
You could go with a primarily PvP based build and put more points in your debuffs/HH skills or singular attacks (poison shot or fire shot, whatever you want really).

FAQ: Why 1 point in DOT? The DoT skill on this server is FUCKING TERRIBLE. If you put 5 points in it honestly delete your character. It's such a waste, to put 1 point in the dot it cost two skill points, the CD on the HH DoT skill is far too long. You can put a point in poison shot or fire shot and get a DoT of 200+ and use your HH DoT (which will in turn be 1500 + (dot of fire shot or poison shot) - not to mention the initial damage of poison shot or fire shot. It's pretty logical.


How to PvP: Helpless + Heavy hand first because they are unblockable skills. After that I would be working on your spikes, I will not tell you how to have kick ass spikes.

What is a spike? A spike is a lot of damage timed to hit at one moment, example: snare shot + phoenix. When you have as high of cast as archers do, everything is a spike. So go up to a mob, figure out which skills have slight (chain action) to major delays (thunderbolt) and time them with instant skills (phoenix or pressure blast) so that all the damage lands at the same time so your opponents pots do not have time to recover their health.

HH Skills HH SKILLS are GUARANTEED hits (they are unblockable) so read above (what is a spike) and figure it out. I mean seriously, I see so many archers using HH skills in the middle of their rotation, they're guaranteed hits. Turn them into a spike.


I'll update this with archer vs X-Class PvP if people want it.. But this is pretty damn basic and if you just follow this guide you'll kill 80% of people on this server.
« Last Edit: June 27, 2014, 02:49:48 PM by Vile »
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Re: Vile's 120 archer guide
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2014, 12:07:43 PM »
UUUUUUUUPDATED
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Re: Vile's 120 archer guide
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2014, 12:39:48 PM »
I'm assuming you're trolling but that's how I have my skill bars set up although I do not use the skills in that order (obviously) it's pretty illogical.

Also that build doesn't make any sense seeing as how you can't reset HH skills with return orbs anymore, also I wouldn't put 5 points in thunderbolt or in arctic strike/pressure blast since there debuffs max out at level 9.

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« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2014, 01:13:32 PM »
I'm assuming you're trolling but that's how I have my skill bars set up although I do not use the skills in that order (obviously) it's pretty illogical.

Also that build doesn't make any sense seeing as how you can't reset HH skills with return orbs anymore, also I wouldn't put 5 points in thunderbolt or in arctic strike/pressure blast since there debuffs max out at level 9.

Yer welcome.

u are seriously so dumb u cant even admit that this is your own build and keep telling people lies seriously Glory time to wake up

Idk how the build you posted doesn't have a point in phoenix yet my skill bar has phoenix on it (?) lol.

And here's a screenshot of my Heroic tab where you can see I clearly have points in the passive so please stop spamming my thread with your trolling bullshit lol. The build that you posted isn't mine. kkthxbai.

http://i60.tinypic.com/34gjyf6.jpg

Also i don't know why you're so obsessed with my archer but if you want my build you can send me 15 euros via paypal for it. thanks.
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Re: Vile's 120 archer guide
« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2014, 03:09:14 AM »
There is a much cheaper way to get more damage than with int shutas 3/3

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Re: Vile's 120 archer guide
« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2014, 04:01:14 AM »
There is a much cheaper way to get more damage than with int shutas 3/3
there was,  price of int logos went crazy last weeks, if it's what u are talking about
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Re: Vile's 120 archer guide
« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2014, 09:20:18 AM »
There is a much cheaper way to get more damage than with int shutas 3/3
there was, currently price of int logos went crazy last weeks, if this what u talking about

This. Int logos are 4b+
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« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2014, 01:30:31 PM »
I almost got blind here with your "guide". By having just 1 point on mana gain and no point on mind boost that says all about your knowledge. If you need a proper build and some extra tips (for the 2nd time) do not hesitate to contact me, I won't charge you!




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« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2014, 01:54:08 PM »
I almost got blind here with your "guide". By having just 1 point on mana gain and no point on mind boost that says all about your knowledge. If you need a proper build and some extra tips (for the 2nd time) do not hesitate to contact me, I won't charge you!

Are you fucking blind? There's 14 spare skill points for people to figure out themselves.

Do you NEED to put a point in mind boost? No.
Do you NEED to put a point in poison shot? No.

Hence I haven't put points those points in the guide. It's a general OUTLINE. It's not a set-in-stone build. It's open to interpretation. Also I don't see where I charged people in exchange for reading a topic on a forum.

And yeah you can PM Proteus too, but I've won every PvP between us so I have that going for me.. which is nice.
« Last Edit: June 26, 2014, 01:58:11 PM by Vile »
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« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2014, 02:14:08 PM »
I'm assuming you're trolling but that's how I have my skill bars set up although I do not use the skills in that order (obviously) it's pretty illogical.

Also that build doesn't make any sense seeing as how you can't reset HH skills with return orbs anymore, also I wouldn't put 5 points in thunderbolt or in arctic strike/pressure blast since there debuffs max out at level 9.

Yer welcome.

u are seriously so dumb u cant even admit that this is your own build and keep telling people lies seriously Glory time to wake up

Idk how the build you posted doesn't have a point in phoenix yet my skill bar has phoenix on it (?) lol.

And here's a screenshot of my Heroic tab where you can see I clearly have points in the passive so please stop spamming my thread with your trolling bullshit lol. The build that you posted isn't mine. kkthxbai.

http://i60.tinypic.com/34gjyf6.jpg

Also i don't know why you're so obsessed with my archer but if you want my build you can send me 15 euros via paypal for it. thanks.

So you basically here wasting/throwing dust into ppls eyes by giving a "guide" which imo they should avoid.

I almost got blind here with your "guide". By having just 1 point on mana gain and no point on mind boost that says all about your knowledge. If you need a proper build and some extra tips (for the 2nd time) do not hesitate to contact me, I won't charge you!

Are you fucking blind? There's 14 spare skill points for people to figure out themselves.

Do you NEED to put a point in mind boost? No.
Do you NEED to put a point in poison shot? No.

Hence I haven't put points those points in the guide. It's a general OUTLINE. It's not a set-in-stone build. It's open to interpretation. Also I don't see where I charged people in exchange for reading a topic on a forum.

And yeah you can PM Proteus too, but I've won every PvP between us so I have that going for me.. which is nice.

the do not hesitate thing was for you cause obviously your build is really bad. And ye we have pvped twice (B.C) and you won cause u were using the edited txt file.

This could be a much better build than the one that you posted.

http://archlord.drwx.eu/sbuilder.php?c=Archer&l=120&h=000d10131619080b0e11140d10131619151e2116191c1f222e26292c2f322b2e31343724272a2d0606323436383a3234363e383a3c404244463e40323436384345434547474747475d5e5f60616263645d5e5f64656667685f606566676f06062124272a3a6061616263494b4d4f421c160a49&rf=3005000001051010055510055001510111053335355120535525011

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« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2014, 02:19:54 PM »
I'm assuming you're trolling but that's how I have my skill bars set up although I do not use the skills in that order (obviously) it's pretty illogical.

Also that build doesn't make any sense seeing as how you can't reset HH skills with return orbs anymore, also I wouldn't put 5 points in thunderbolt or in arctic strike/pressure blast since there debuffs max out at level 9.

Yer welcome.

u are seriously so dumb u cant even admit that this is your own build and keep telling people lies seriously Glory time to wake up

Idk how the build you posted doesn't have a point in phoenix yet my skill bar has phoenix on it (?) lol.

And here's a screenshot of my Heroic tab where you can see I clearly have points in the passive so please stop spamming my thread with your trolling bullshit lol. The build that you posted isn't mine. kkthxbai.

http://i60.tinypic.com/34gjyf6.jpg

Also i don't know why you're so obsessed with my archer but if you want my build you can send me 15 euros via paypal for it. thanks.

So you basically here wasting/throwing dust into ppls eyes by giving a "guide" which imo they should avoid.

I almost got blind here with your "guide". By having just 1 point on mana gain and no point on mind boost that says all about your knowledge. If you need a proper build and some extra tips (for the 2nd time) do not hesitate to contact me, I won't charge you!

Are you fucking blind? There's 14 spare skill points for people to figure out themselves.

Do you NEED to put a point in mind boost? No.
Do you NEED to put a point in poison shot? No.

Hence I haven't put points those points in the guide. It's a general OUTLINE. It's not a set-in-stone build. It's open to interpretation. Also I don't see where I charged people in exchange for reading a topic on a forum.

And yeah you can PM Proteus too, but I've won every PvP between us so I have that going for me.. which is nice.

the do not hesitate thing was for you cause obviously your build is really bad. And ye we have pvped twice and you won cause u were using the edited txt file.

This could be a much better build than the one that you posted. Your welcome!

1) I was clearly being sarcastic with Atteon, I wouldn't sell it to him if he gave me 100 euros. And no, I'm not throwing dust into people's eyes, the build is completely open to interpretation and subtle changes. 14 skill points is a lot of skill points and can completely alter the aspect of the build.

I want you to go make a build, with 14 spare skill points and try to keep it as general as possible so that people can still play their character the way that THEY want to play it. I literally even put the whole "You have 14 skill points to do whatever you want with" in HUGE font for you.

Also in regards to me using an 'edited ini' - here you go

http://forum.justac.net/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=3193




So yeah, keep searching for excuses as to why you lost and spamming my thread about it being a bad GENERAL build. I never stated it was my own, I did however say that it was open to interpretation and alterations. Seems like somebody is butt hurt. Go cry elsewhere.
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Re: Vile's 120 archer guide
« Reply #11 on: June 26, 2014, 02:23:56 PM »
http://archlord.drwx.eu/sbuilder.php?c=Archer&l=120&h=000d10131619080b0e11140d10131619151e2116191c1f222e26292c2f322b2e31343724272a2d0606323436383a3234363e383a3c404244463e40323436384345434547474747475d5e5f60616263645d5e5f64656667685f606566676f06062124272a3a6061616263494b4d4f421c160a49&rf=3005000001051010055510055001510111053335355120535525011

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Also regarding this build trollolololololol.

5 points in arctic strike? Sure. Debuff maxes out at stage 9.
2 points in scorpion trap? It scales the worst out of every single HH skill.
2 points in restrain? It's not bugged - it works on level 1.
5 points in mana gain? My archer with 1 point in it has over 3,000 mana (with BG buffs and without a point in mind boost) - The average archer skill on stage 9 is 115 mana, I can literally cast THIRTY skills before having to use a mana potion. Waste of 4 points (XL manas are 100m + recovery pots = no need for 5 points).
1 point in intimidate blow? THE HH Skill that scales the best you decide to put ONE point in it while wasting your time with 10 extra skill points (4 in mana gain / 4 in arctic strike and 2 in scorpion trap)?

Literally shut the fuck up. You know nothing about archer. Literally nothing. Also let's not forget that for this GUIDE
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https://www.google.ca/?gws_rd=ssl#q=define:+guide has no SPARE SKILL POINTS that allows the USER OF THE GUIDE to alter the build to THEIR playing style.

Just gtfo my thread you're embarrassing yourself.
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« Reply #12 on: June 26, 2014, 02:44:05 PM »
As i said your knowledge about archer equals to 0. I wonder from who you copied this build lmao.
Artic strike debuff max at stage 9, OH REALLY? What about switching rings u moron? After u take off your exc feathereds you will lose ranks. Att speed debuff still remains at 50% right but what about Ice damage increase & Extra Ice damage? So now you can see why i make like 200-250 dmg more on that skill.

Try to figure out the rest on your own before you type. Plus pay attention to what i write i said this could be a better build than the one you posted.

#L2P

P.S Why you modified your first thread just right after my reply? Seems you are not open to critics. Np you will soon or later. HF Bambino & take it easy.

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« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2014, 03:18:23 PM »
As i said your knowledge about archer equals to 0. I wonder from who you copied this build lmao.
Artic strike debuff max at stage 9, OH REALLY? What about switching rings u moron? After u take off your exc feathereds you will lose ranks. Att speed debuff still remains at 50% right but what about Ice damage increase & Extra Ice damage? So now you can see why i make like 200-250 dmg more on that skill.

First of all arctic strike is blockable (so I don't see why you would put 5 points in it when the debuff is easily maxed at stage 3). And the ice attack goes up 5 ice damage and 5% ice per level. So tell me which one is more logical, putting 5 points in it or putting 3 or 4 points in it (depending on what rings you're using - without excellent feathereds).

Let's say it's int shuta + int ohk with 3 points -> stage 8.

Debuff is -45% attack speed. But the +15 ele / attack damage from the int ohk exceeds the damage than having it at a higher rank.

Actually here you go: here's a VIDEO of it on STAGE ONE. Excellent feathered vs Int ohk (aka skill rank vs ele damage) http://youtu.be/yQy3MmS8Ddc

+2 from excellent feathered = 10% more ice dmg + 10 ice dmg

As you can see the intel ohk (ele dmg) gives more damage than the excellent feathered (which provided the ranks). This would have the EXACT same result between stage 9 (50% debuff) and stage 11 (50% debuff but more ice dmg).

Try to figure out the rest on your own before you type. Plus pay attention to what i write i said this could be a better build than the one you posted.

#L2P

P.S Why you modified your first thread just right after my reply? Seems you are not open to critics. Np you will soon or later. HF Bambino & take it easy.

Seems like it's time to take the kid to school. Alright.

1) You didn't answer the 4 points in mana gain or how my archer has 3,000 mana with bg buffs (no point in mind boost) - those 4 points are a waste.
2) You didn't answer 2 points in scorpion trap (it scales terrible in comparison to intimidate blow (the strongest HH skill)
3) You didn't answer having 2 points in restrain (it works with 1)

And addressing your 5 points in arctic strike, god this is terrible but honestly I hate you so much that I'm going to make this post just to spite you (even though I'm educating you).

I honestly don't understand why you feel the need to post on the forums everywhere I do or why you feel compelled to enter this thread and post. I already debunked why your build is bad, and I already explained why the original build I posted (in the first post) is better. With 14 extra skill points it allows the user to make alterations to let them figure out how they want to play their character.

The build that you posted has serious... issues. That you can't even explain, such as mana gain on 5, restrain on 2, scorpion trap on 2 but intimidate blow on 1? And I pretty much just debunked exactly why you don't need arctic strike on stage 5. I mean yes, having 5 points in it with an int ohk will give higher damage (no shit) but there's really no point since it's blockable and the debuff maxes out at stage 9.

Also, I like the part where you completely ignored my post about wimpin saying he never sent me an edited ini. Keep searching for excuses. Let the reader of the thread decide who knows more about archer.

I asked questions about the build that you posted that you can't even answer.
You made a statement, I proved you wrong.

There is NO REASON to have arctic strike, pressure blast or thunderbolt be higher than stage 9. But then again it's YOUR character so do what YOU want.
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Re: Vile's 120 archer guide
« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2014, 04:44:23 AM »

First of all arctic strike is blockable (so I don't see why you would put 5 points in it when the debuff is easily maxed at stage 3). And the ice attack goes up 5 ice damage and 5% ice per level. So tell me which one is more logical, putting 5 points in it or putting 3 or 4 points in it (depending on what rings you're using - without excellent feathereds).

Let's say it's int shuta + int ohk with 3 points -> stage 8.

Debuff is -45% attack speed. But the +15 ele / attack damage from the int ohk exceeds the damage than having it at a higher rank.

Actually here you go: here's a VIDEO of it on STAGE ONE. Excellent feathered vs Int ohk (aka skill rank vs ele damage) http://youtu.be/yQy3MmS8Ddc

+2 from excellent feathered = 10% more ice dmg + 10 ice dmg

As you can see the intel ohk (ele dmg) gives more damage than the excellent feathered (which provided the ranks). This would have the EXACT same result between stage 9 (50% debuff) and stage 11 (50% debuff but more ice dmg).

Seems like it's time to take the kid to school. Alright.

1) You didn't answer the 4 points in mana gain or how my archer has 3,000 mana with bg buffs (no point in mind boost) - those 4 points are a waste.
2) You didn't answer 2 points in scorpion trap (it scales terrible in comparison to intimidate blow (the strongest HH skill)
3) You didn't answer having 2 points in restrain (it works with 1)

And addressing your 5 points in arctic strike, god this is terrible but honestly I hate you so much that I'm going to make this post just to spite you (even though I'm educating you).

I honestly don't understand why you feel the need to post on the forums everywhere I do or why you feel compelled to enter this thread and post. I already debunked why your build is bad, and I already explained why the original build I posted (in the first post) is better. With 14 extra skill points it allows the user to make alterations to let them figure out how they want to play their character.

The build that you posted has serious... issues. That you can't even explain, such as mana gain on 5, restrain on 2, scorpion trap on 2 but intimidate blow on 1? And I pretty much just debunked exactly why you don't need arctic strike on stage 5. I mean yes, having 5 points in it with an int ohk will give higher damage (no shit) but there's really no point since it's blockable and the debuff maxes out at stage 9.

Also, I like the part where you completely ignored my post about wimpin saying he never sent me an edited ini. Keep searching for excuses. Let the reader of the thread decide who knows more about archer.

I asked questions about the build that you posted that you can't even answer.
You made a statement, I proved you wrong.

There is NO REASON to have arctic strike, pressure blast or thunderbolt be higher than stage 9. But then again it's YOUR character so do what YOU want.


That test of yours on a ranger made me lol hard. Seriously why you test your ICE Damage on a char that has 80% realms resi? EPIC FAIL. Why you even bothered to use helpless on ranger? As i said before and you proved it one more time your knowledge 0.


Also that build doesn't make any sense seeing as how you can't reset HH skills with return orbs anymore, also I wouldn't put 5 points in thunderbolt or in arctic strike/pressure blast since there debuffs max out at level 9.
Yer welcome.

Seriously? Return orb can't reset HH Skills? I will write a manual for you just tell me dont be shy.. haha

Why i use 5 points on a blockable skill? Ever heard about flashfire? -52 Sk block you know? Cause i can cast it (artic strike) like 6 more times while i have to wait for the intimidate blow to load again? So i prefer having max a skill that has better cooldown than making lvl 5 the strongest HH Skill and wait till it loads again. Not to mention the range of it that sux. Got that now or u want me to picture it?

About restrain noone said is bugged 1 more lvl is like 2 extra sec so where is the problem on that? I prefer to give there one point than making Slight of Bow lvl 3

Why mana gain 5 and mind boost 1? Because i did not make my archer build based on the bg buffs. An archer without bg buffs and just 1 point on mana gain has around 2k mana (or less) is that good? HELL NO. Even with full BG buffs on video you have 2795 mana lmao.
 
Scorpion trap 2 point again for the same reason, I prefer to give there one point than making Slight of Bow lvl 3

About the edited file, were/Are you using it so long? YES! Will you ever admit it in public? You did at south gate by saying i used to but now i am on custom keys. I just do not get why people like you have to lie themselves. It's pathetic.

Seriously dude, Earth is full. Go home!



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