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General Discussion => Suggestions => Topic started by: Chickalove on November 10, 2021, 09:32:54 AM
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Hey. Here is my suggestion about this nice game. Do not even play. Why? Its really easy. Let me tell you. 1 : The drop rate is lower than an ant. There is an example. I farmed 15 hours lv1 and lv2 stone what i needed and i got 1x lv2 and 2x lv1. Interesting huh? 2 : Refinery rate. What is that? Is this ingame already or still not? Because i also tried to refine stones, and first 10 tries was 1 succesfull, others went to the bin. R.I.P money and time. 3 : Bugs, crashes. They dont know how to fix game, how to fix crashes and bugs. They deleted infernum, because they dont know how to fix it. Such a lazy guys. Impossible to play the game without c++ or something else. I love this game really, but jesus. Im wasting my time here, my energy, my money, my everything, and what I/we get back? Big zero nothing more. All of this is good for them because we are invetigating to this game, especially lot of ecoin buyers and etc. So they can provide food for their family, but what about we guys? What we get from them? Imo nothing, seriously. Im so sad about this situation and I didnt mention the issue about charisma pont. They will not lower it, because if you have your char already high level, you need to buy lens+ / combies / suits etc to farm your charisma, so they earn a lot of money from you, but you not getting back anything, not even uniqs. 6 hours farm and u get 3 uniqs, that is normal? I can write more but no point, please let me know what you guys think about it and share am I right or not. Sorry for my bad english. Have a nice day.
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+1 totally agreed. The old justac was so better but in someone's brain ''Now its so much better'.
Anyway this game is dead long time ago, and now the last 100 fans lets say (players) are united on one server to enjoy it, but instead of making the game funny someone want to make the game pay2win so he make benefit from you.Its 2021, and we still get c++.
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I am 100% with you.
Everything that happens now is just there to fill your own pocket again.
The fun on this server is lost, the server is lost.
The community is also shitted if it does not bring in any money.
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+1 old justac was better this is just shit like webzen.Could Webzen have bought the Justac? Because it was so much better before the fire...
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Considering how much we all lost on this server in the past years due to Paragon trade hacks, dupped gold and items which affected fair farmers and ec sellers when everything got removed, TWICE, ending with the fire which made us lose everything, it makes no freaking sense to force players to farm for weeks to obtain a set of excellent uniques, is not our fault that server burned, why freaking struggle so much to rebuild our characters ?
Building up a character should be easy and fun, not a struggle, this is a god dam game not a full time job, and GM seems to not understand it.
The casual players/small guilds are treated like fools here, not everyone is unemployed like chinese players are, not everyone is able to farm 16 hours per day like they do, most of the european players have a job, school, family responsabilities and limited time to play.
How on earth is this fair ? how is ballanced ? maybe not everyone wants to buy already made accessories and armors via paypal.
Events that benefits the stronger side only; dumb changed refinery ( old one from justac was giving you guaranted 3 slots upon excell attemp, here not; guaranteed 3 slots normal uniq, here not, so you waste 1 mil to get same 0/1 uniq back, great logic ).
4.5 mil per HH skill rank + 3000 charisma another dumb change
Previously we needed around 40 - 50k charisma maximum, now is 150 k, why ? i don't want to make a new char and waste more money for what? because you don't inform players properly ? no
Where is the "greately increased gold " from HH mobs ? IS NOT
Why lvl 120 chars were not informed properly about this change so we wouldnt rush to make high lvl ? thats how you treath loyal and active players?
Right right, we have Proof of Vengeance and Carvin or Courage from Battle Square, which is controlled again by unemployed chinese and their friends which are camping there nonstop.
GM, why is it so hard to be transparent and social with the players? to collect best sugestions from the majority and make a fair ballanced enviorement for everyone so we can properly enjoy the game ?
Make announcements that contains the full information, so we know what to expect and prepare for the updates.
The big money, if thats what you are looking for to get, is made from players fighting eachother : Lens +, Combi pots, Suits, pets high lvl, destiny stones, GEM of Origin & return orbs to improve builds for fighting, fortune manuals to max our the gear and so on.
While for farming what do you need ? a crappy minus toa for 30 ec and a toh for 30. So 60 ecoins for 24 hours. Compare it with the ecoins needed for PVP !
Allow players to build their characters faster if you want to make more money, is simple as that. The main reason why 90% of us are playing this game, is because of the unicity and beauty of the PVP sistem, not to freaking waste our lifes on farming.
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come play New World because NW is dying after 2 months from start :(
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As Cobra says, we lost items 2 times once due paragon and second due fire.Isnt a logic way for players to be easier now so gm keep them playing not making things even harder?! And i can say on old justac cc pots were free but now even thats pay2win for fuck sake GM?People should get your support so they play once again but instead u made things even harder.Also to stone a proper top u need to burn 60 stones which is way harder than old justac.
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+1 about that. Wasted a lot of time and money on this and I honestly feel jaded and fed up now. Atm I don't have anything left to do but leave the game. I can't really farm charisma as a crit knight 115+ so no point in trying to anyway. After this charisma change I lost all my will to play and I don't even bother logging in for any events/RvR etc. I just can't take this anymore, drop chance low, bots selling billions and nobody is questioning how they get that kind of money, refinery is a joke, normal fortune manuals cost 200 cc and I had to use 4 to stone a shield with a lvl VI sb stone (you do the math how much gold those 3 fails cost me) and so on... Only thing left to do is sell and move on from this crap or just change servers
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I love this game but if it continues like this, there will be more quitters. I'm afraid it will end like webzen.
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Sad to have agree with guys, but this game needs to do something about listed problems. Drop rate is terrible, refine rate as well, reinfor success critical!! There is lack of gold on the server generally, even tho they increased gold rate. And don't wanna talk even about bugs/crashes which are happening daily, living in 21st century and having game with that many bugs and crashed is not acceptable! One guild is taking everything which make no sense for other players because it gives them space enough to be way stronger than anyone else on this server! I think sooner or later many people will stop to play the game because of these issues (including me as well)!
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I agree. For a private server that is supposed to be fun, its everything but fun. Its very clear that the GMs dont care about the players. Why would they punish their active playerbase who fought their way on the first week of HH to get to lv120+? The charisma requirement is a big middle finger to the players quite honestly. They gave us 20 (!!!) XP Talisman Boxes as a level up reward, and a week after we get screwed over for actually using them. What the F is that. Yes we knew we need charisma for HH skills, but the amount required is very unexpected, and quite stupid for a PRIVATE server. You can tell the system is broken, when its easier to start a new character, farming 120k+ charisma, level up to 120+ THAN actually meeting the requirements with ur main character. What about the time, energy and money invested in those "main" characters? Not a lot of ppl are willing to throw away their names(their identity), and their bound Ecoins.
Needless to say the game has many obvious problems(which are listed in this topic) and the HH skill requirements are just clearly showing they dont give a flying F.
The normal unique accessory drop rate is higher than Webzen, but whats the point, when the refinery system kinda counteracts the whole thing?
I could go on and on about the topic ....
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Sad but true. We don't get any information about the updates. We have to find out everything by ourselves and if we find something like an event mob that shouldn't be there you ban our accounts ( for example the x-mas trees in the beginning) so we basically never know what is a bugg , what is an event and what is true . This is one of the points of no information .
The 2nd point is the economy which makes us struggle a lot. Before 2nd stage there were nothing to do the last 2/3months, gold was worth nothing. Now none has gold, people who are willing to pay any amount of money are just buying 99% for pp so there is a huge difference between a normal player and a pay2win player.
Before the burn there was an need for event like worm hunt but for now it's just feeding those who are already fed up. Small guilds have no chance at all. Middle guilds are dominated by enemies who are pay2win, using tons of tactics like protective passports, mages who are there only to Antimagic, playing 2 accounts same time (1critter on auto attack and 2nd caster) .
For now there is much to do ingame but ppl are just tired of bad refine rate, bad reinforcement rate, no gold on server and all these little things that make us struggle .
On the other hand it's an paradise for botters, farmers who sell stuff for pp. Ppl buy 100mil for 10 euro. For an country, wre you earn 1-5euro per h it's a huge chance to earn money so there are a lot of "farm for food" players which just want to make most money for pp. They are not afraid of botting cause they just run 3,4,5 + PCs and botting everywhere just sitting there with macro and watching movies while money is flowing in like crazy.
Old justac was way better in some cases, some are nice here . Those points we are taking about make many players quit so please - rethink it!
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ye hard to keep the moral high. when all you get is shyt :-)
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which is controlled again by unemployed chinese and their friends which are camping there nonstop.
Butthurt much :D buy my CoC special offer only 150M now on AH
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I agree with the others. The game should be fun and not a burden.
This current patch could be a paradise to the farmers, but noone wants to farm, beacuse they are discouraged. Who wants to farm hours/days/weeks, when others are botting with multiple accounts for the very same thing. The gold is concentrated among few people who have billions, while others have no money. The market has collapsed, the people who got gold to spend have already got what they wanted with botting, and the ones who still need stuff can not afford it.
The refining rate of uniques and lv4-5-6 stones is terrible, and the drop is also shit.
We have jobs, and we dont have the time to farm 10 hours, just to get archondrite or 1 or 2 slotted versions of the items we need with 3 slots. Each and every Excellent try should give uniqs with minimum 2 slots.
One half of the server solved the charisma problem with the Carving of courage item, and the other half is botting for charisma in Battle Ground. The game cannot be built upon the fact, that we will have ways in the next patch to get charisma. We are playing the current version of the game, and not whats coming in the future and we wanna enjoy the current game, not what its going to be someday.
The balance on the server has been tipped completely. One side is ruling everything everywhere. Only people from RetardMafia, CHN and BlackSheep participate in the worm events, the Moonster event is almost the same. Both Latria events are only boosting the stronger one side even more, and that makes the gap between the two sides even greater. In Battle Square there are only CHN members all day long and its impossible to get anything done there. They have monopoly over carving of courage.
Its up to each individual to decide why this is the case now, whether because of p2w, wrong choices of one side, or the unequal proportions of players on each side. One things for sure, the weaker side is gonna get bored of struggling for nothing.
Furthermore the playstyle of european, american, or eastern people is also completely different. There is a reason why other games have multiple servers for different regions.
I also find it quite concerning and not normal at all that players can buy everything with PP, even gold. The botters and the ammount of p2w has killed the fun in the game.
The lv100 level up reward has become a very bad joke in terms of charisma, and because of that the higher level players were punished. The reward has become useless, because the average person wont use them above lv100, since we need charisma so bad
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Playing the game right now is such a pain in the ass....
Even tho we lost everything in that fire,years of playtime and gearing a char,since the server has opened most of us instead of getting back something in favor for still supporting this server,had only a middle finger in our asses,because admin and gm team just doenst care about the playerbase.
Drop is shit,you cant farm properly,or you can try and you will get motivated after 1 day. In eclipse you knew in 1 hour you can get 1 billion gold,which was 2 spins. Right now since you need to sell the items you dropped,and if server is on ''high'' most of the time you cant get more than 6-7m / hour,which is 0.6-7 of a ticket,compared to the 2 spins back on old server,this is tremendeous and fucking disgusting.
(The best part is using 5 buffers,using -toa,using super lucky charm,and using combi,for this shit)
Other part is the insane refinery,once you are getting 5-10times archondrites,next 5-10 times you are getting the same 0/1 normal item back. Why? Admin why? But fucking why?
''SERVER ECONOMY IS HEALTHY,AND DOESNT NEED ASSISTANCE BECAUSE WERE CHECKING IT.''
10-15 people in game -- > WTB 500m gold,for like 2 weeks,and theres none to sell because there is none to farm with this conditions.
The Chinese were used to,and guess i can say are still the biggest botters on this server,if you dont count them,how many gold the server has?
Yeah,thought so.
Latria event is pretty one sided,RoG is trying sometimes to go in,but as I've seen they doesnt really stand a chance,so the other side is taking every single boss during the week.
(Chinese have at least 2 times free boss thanks god,since theyre coward to face either RM or Blacksheep)
I really hope admin & gm team will put up some changes,because i am thinking servers playerbase will drop below 5% till stage 3 comes.
GFGGGL.
p.s -- The only reason you can call the haloween event u made succesfull,because it was worth for every player to give a try to get as much gold out of possible,because current rates suck this badly.
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Feel refreshing to see you guys complain about those kind of things when you were laughing at us for the exact same thing when RoG was the strongest side in Eclipse... They cannot act upon side or guild playing. A Event is made to occupy players base, who ever the winner is. They already made change to Worms with the 20 minutes time which was asked, they also made Mooster to make everyone and every player get a chance to farm those items. Every other big Event d'oesnt involve Guild what so ever
I agree refinery is sh1t and uniques should be 3 slotted.
Having random slot on Gear/weapon is fine to me, make it more interesting. I hope that by doing this, we will be able to max their slot to what they normaly are and wont get those 8 slot everything parts.
For the Gold, i prefer it that way, Gold has a meaning and everything cannot be buy with ease, you have to prioritize with what you want to do.
For the Charisma, i agree that this change fcked up players who rushed lvls, but that doesnt mean that its impossible for them to reach it with some other ways. Everyone was aware that CHA would be involved, so I doubt they farmed their 50k+ anyways... and with 50k you can unlock most of desired skills for a class. You just have to work toward getting the rest somehow.
There never was a annoucement before things were released, nobody has the infos and everyone find out about it at the same time. It doesnt help any side or any player.
Im used to do my things no matter the struggle, so thats nothing new to me. Losing winning is part of the game.
Hope to see improvement, but we have to follow Justac vision, we will step in if things are really out of hands (the most we can as V)
See you in game
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I agree most critiques listed here previously.
I can't say playing that about 2h/day has got me feeling like I'm progressing anywhere (for weeks and months now) or feels like any fun. Long-term goals are fine, but with the randomness involved in every step alongside with low success rates you just see all your time and effort go down the drain. Not very casual-friendly... and as most of us don't have more time except for some casual play it leads to an endless circle of frustration, examples given above.
It is easy to flame at one's enemy side and shove the reason for most of those complaints on the matter that the enemies just want to win. One point you guys will have to realize is that if things keep going on like this you might end up on an empty server with no enemies to fight.
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you guys really fckin retard, its not about damn guilds about fcking game mechanics drop fcked gold rate same ....
I don't even want to talk about refinement. But you're still here crying rog so-so. We don't play in eclipse time anymore and the game dies people stop playing. At this rate, there will be no justac left, then you will continue to cry ROG.
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I think, pointing on sides, doesnt help anyone and this shouldnt turn into a side related arguing.
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I agree on Refinery for uniques.
an excellent try, should end up at least with 2 or 3 slot or Archondrites. doesnt matter if its normal/glor/bril/int/ex
that would safe much gold and time.
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Stone Refinery and reinforcement was bad already in the past, but there was more gold around.
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variable slots on Weapons are OK for me.
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Events cant make everybody happy. there will be always more or less challenges.
For Latria it could fit, to implement the Ice/Light/Poison Rule = to remove buffs, if u enter that area. <<< but thats my personal opinion.
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Think all were aware about Charisma, just the new amount which is needed now, shocked the most of us.
at least the ppl, which are now 120+. <<< this isnt a side related opinion.
stay safe
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I think the 100% LT based economy has really killed the farming base.
Realm and HH armor used to have some value, even some good dropped unique armor would sell, giving players an opportunity to farm and craft items to make money.
I got a wife and kids, a job.
Get to play a few hours a day.
But the only way I have found to make gold now is to sell cc.
No one wants good armor or weapons that drop.
No point in making HH weps & armor.
Making uniques is very problematic.
Making lvl 6 stones to sell is ridiculous.
CF don't drop low lvl stones, BS stone drop is crap, where do lvl 1 stones drop?
I have been playing since Ep2 in Brum, I ain't super pro but have always enjoyed the game.
But now there is a terrible imbalance in the game.
I don't know how to fix it, but I know it is broken.
The only way I can think of to describe the gold drop, unique drop and refinery rate is "miserly".
Hope things improve soon. I am too old to start a new game :'(
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Everything is fine on the server,when 1.5 weeks after big update,people are already selling lvl120 chars xddd
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For the Gold, i prefer it that way, Gold has a meaning and everything cannot be buy with ease, you have to prioritize with what you want to do.
"After 4 hours of farming, I finally managed to collect that 5m gold...wow, this is nice! I can't wait to decide whether I want to spend them on upgrading a single HH skill or perhaps buy some lens and repair my weapon so I can...farm more gold?"
As most of the players already stated - and I am going to repeat it to you because it obviously wasn't clear - after the server burned (presumably), players literally lost everything and eventually accepted the fact that nothing can be done regarding that point. Despite that, players are expecting to atleast get something in return, something so you can progress quickly and so you can feel you are progressing and get back to your feet as soon as possible. But what did you get in return? SHIT.
In return you got a fucking 100% XP/DROP server at the opening - wow these rates are fucking worse than the Webzen ones! I am also going to repeat this for you - because it also isn't very clear - this is a fucking PRIVATE server of a 20 years old game. People play this server because they want to have FUN. Is this server fun? Not at fucking all. Also you get constant crashes, bugs, boring events and endless farming. Now the most common argument from Justac management against this is:
1) "We wan't to protect the server economy" -> No, you just want people to keep playing, farming and buying EC.. meaning you want to protect your fucking wallet"
2) "We don't want to increase drop/refine because then everyone would have max gear in 2 weeks." -> And? This is the point of a private server? You want to farm 3 years to get max gear and what then.. wait for the server to burn so you can lose it and start all over again?
This server is an ABSOLUTE. FUCKING. TORTURE.
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For the Gold, i prefer it that way, Gold has a meaning and everything cannot be buy with ease, you have to prioritize with what you want to do.
"After 4 hours of farming, I finally managed to collect that 5m gold...wow, this is nice! I can't wait to decide whether I want to spend them on upgrading a single HH skill or perhaps buy some lens and repair my weapon so I can...farm more gold?"
As most of the players already stated - and I am going to repeat it to you because it obviously wasn't clear - after the server burned (presumably), players literally lost everything and eventually accepted the fact that nothing can be done regarding that point. Despite that, players are expecting to atleast get something in return, something so you can progress quickly and so you can feel you are progressing and get back to your feet as soon as possible. But what did you get in return? SHIT.
In return you got a fucking 100% XP/DROP server at the opening - wow these rates are fucking worse than the Webzen ones! I am also going to repeat this for you - because it also isn't very clear - this is a fucking PRIVATE server of a 20 years old game. People play this server because they want to have FUN. Is this server fun? Not at fucking all. Also you get constant crashes, bugs, boring events and endless farming. Now the most common argument from Justac management against this is:
1) "We wan't to protect the server economy" -> No, you just want people to keep playing, farming and buying EC.. meaning you want to protect your fucking wallet"
2) "We don't want to increase drop/refine because then everyone would have max gear in 2 weeks." -> And? This is the point of a private server? You want to farm 3 years to get max gear and what then.. wait for the server to burn so you can lose it and start all over again?
This server is an ABSOLUTE. FUCKING. TORTURE.
+1111111111111
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For the Gold, i prefer it that way, Gold has a meaning and everything cannot be buy with ease, you have to prioritize with what you want to do.
"After 4 hours of farming, I finally managed to collect that 5m gold...wow, this is nice! I can't wait to decide whether I want to spend them on upgrading a single HH skill or perhaps buy some lens and repair my weapon so I can...farm more gold?"
As most of the players already stated - and I am going to repeat it to you because it obviously wasn't clear - after the server burned (presumably), players literally lost everything and eventually accepted the fact that nothing can be done regarding that point. Despite that, players are expecting to atleast get something in return, something so you can progress quickly and so you can feel you are progressing and get back to your feet as soon as possible. But what did you get in return? SHIT.
In return you got a fucking 100% XP/DROP server at the opening - wow these rates are fucking worse than the Webzen ones! I am also going to repeat this for you - because it also isn't very clear - this is a fucking PRIVATE server of a 20 years old game. People play this server because they want to have FUN. Is this server fun? Not at fucking all. Also you get constant crashes, bugs, boring events and endless farming. Now the most common argument from Justac management against this is:
1) "We wan't to protect the server economy" -> No, you just want people to keep playing, farming and buying EC.. meaning you want to protect your fucking wallet"
2) "We don't want to increase drop/refine because then everyone would have max gear in 2 weeks." -> And? This is the point of a private server? You want to farm 3 years to get max gear and what then.. wait for the server to burn so you can lose it and start all over again?
This server is an ABSOLUTE. FUCKING. TORTURE.
Finally people started realizing how things are right now,sad thing is prolly nothing will be changed,becase ''sErVER ec0nomY is g00d beCaUsE of ChINNNa botTinG wh0LEE dayZZ and 2 frEE w0rMsS eaCH day sO tHeY havE gOLD but n0nE elSe dOes''
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For the Gold, i prefer it that way, Gold has a meaning and everything cannot be buy with ease, you have to prioritize with what you want to do.
"After 4 hours of farming, I finally managed to collect that 5m gold...wow, this is nice! I can't wait to decide whether I want to spend them on upgrading a single HH skill or perhaps buy some lens and repair my weapon so I can...farm more gold?"
As most of the players already stated - and I am going to repeat it to you because it obviously wasn't clear - after the server burned (presumably), players literally lost everything and eventually accepted the fact that nothing can be done regarding that point. Despite that, players are expecting to atleast get something in return, something so you can progress quickly and so you can feel you are progressing and get back to your feet as soon as possible. But what did you get in return? SHIT.
In return you got a fucking 100% XP/DROP server at the opening - wow these rates are fucking worse than the Webzen ones! I am also going to repeat this for you - because it also isn't very clear - this is a fucking PRIVATE server of a 20 years old game. People play this server because they want to have FUN. Is this server fun? Not at fucking all. Also you get constant crashes, bugs, boring events and endless farming. Now the most common argument from Justac management against this is:
1) "We wan't to protect the server economy" -> No, you just want people to keep playing, farming and buying EC.. meaning you want to protect your fucking wallet"
2) "We don't want to increase drop/refine because then everyone would have max gear in 2 weeks." -> And? This is the point of a private server? You want to farm 3 years to get max gear and what then.. wait for the server to burn so you can lose it and start all over again?
This server is an ABSOLUTE. FUCKING. TORTURE.
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At the moment, the game is no fun. I am also of the personal opinion to bring Elite Gear in Stage 1 already true a mistake. I can't remember that we already had Elite Gear in HH/CF on the old server at the beginning. Some of the old realms like HH/CF/True are now useless.
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bump +1