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Title: change the maximum client number to 2 again please GM read
Post by: ugdrasilMercenary on March 20, 2014, 03:58:20 AM
listen first of all im not a good player i am horrible
thats a fact.
and also i dont play competitive what so ever

i am no pro
i am not good

only thing i have is experience with the Archlord Community since beginning of Codemasters Time


Gm,s when we asked you to change the maximum client number to 2 we did this for 2 reasons
1: its not fair  for people who cannot load more than 2 clients  some people cannot even load 2 because of their bad pc.
wich is worse is people loading 8 characters  everwhere to buff their character wich is totally unfair to all the other people who do not have a pc to handle that.
and party buffing 1 character with 8 classes makes the toon overpowerd and unbeatable for the players without party buffs

and if you say look for a party to compete with every single person using this cowardly technique
than thats allmost impossible finding every class  and asking them all to party buff and them all agreeing on it



SECOND AND MOST IMPORTANT
THE LAG SPIKES
SIEGE IS UNPLAYABLE
BG iS UNPLAYABLE
CF IS UNPLAYABLE
TULLAN IS UNPLAYABLE
SOUTH GATE IS UNPLAYABLE


PLEASE CHANGE IT BACK to 2 ACOUNTS


I KNOW PKU members will now disagree thats no surprise but anyways

i know most of the proffesional players DO AGREE
thank u very much

Hopp
Title: Re: change the maximum client number to 2 again please GM read
Post by: Withered on March 20, 2014, 04:04:10 AM
I can't even log 3 or more accounts because my 2 clients keep crashing at all the time  ;D otherwise I should be able to log 35
Title: Re: change the maximum client number to 2 again please GM read
Post by: ugdrasilMercenary on March 20, 2014, 04:04:42 AM
I can't even log 3 or more accounts because my 2 clients keep crashing at all the time  ;D otherwise I should be able to log 35

PLEASE IF YOU AGREE WRITE AGREE UNDER YOUR POST
Title: Re: change the maximum client number to 2 again please GM read
Post by: faulkude on March 20, 2014, 04:35:25 AM
If i understand well, all game is unplayable for you because of lag? I agree about siege, and sometimes rvr, but rest is ok
Title: Re: change the maximum client number to 2 again please GM read
Post by: King Oaksey on March 20, 2014, 04:35:49 AM
The thing with this is when a vote was made the majority of people were for lifting the account limit. With siege ect you have to remember the characters people log in aren't actually at the siege or BG or w.e they are elsewhere hiding in a corner. Although yes they are logged into the server the fact they are motionless and doing nothing would make me assume they wouldn't actually have that much strain on the server. The lag to me comes down to 2 things,

1. Mass amounts of players fighting in the same place at the same time.
2. All the particle effects of players skills going off in the same place. Even if you have them turned off the server recognises that skills are going off and process it.


The problem with the multi client is simple, if we cap it people will use proxy's and other methods to get around it and people will still complain. Not having a cap opens it up to everyone to multibox and if you can't then you have to go back to old ways, they game isn't designed to be a solo played game. Its a massively multiplayer online game, they idea is to have friends who you work with in order to achieve something. All I can suggest is find a group of like minded people and buff together. 80% of you are all in guilds I'm sure its not too hard to get 5 of you together for a PK trip?
Title: Re: change the maximum client number to 2 again please GM read
Post by: Motoetoe on March 20, 2014, 04:51:13 PM
The thing with this is when a vote was made the majority of people were for lifting the account limit. With siege ect you have to remember the characters people log in aren't actually at the siege or BG or w.e they are elsewhere hiding in a corner. Although yes they are logged into the server the fact they are motionless and doing nothing would make me assume they wouldn't actually have that much strain on the server. The lag to me comes down to 2 things,

1. Mass amounts of players fighting in the same place at the same time.
2. All the particle effects of players skills going off in the same place. Even if you have them turned off the server recognises that skills are going off and process it.


The problem with the multi client is simple, if we cap it people will use proxy's and other methods to get around it and people will still complain. Not having a cap opens it up to everyone to multibox and if you can't then you have to go back to old ways, they game isn't designed to be a solo played game. Its a massively multiplayer online game, they idea is to have friends who you work with in order to achieve something. All I can suggest is find a group of like minded people and buff together. 80% of you are all in guilds I'm sure its not too hard to get 5 of you together for a PK trip?
Yeah I have an issue for 1 because of my internet but that is getting fixed stupid cable company is finally doing something about and 2 because my laptop is an asshole even though it's supposed to easily be able to play games like this it doesn't... damn those Toshiba bastards!
Title: Re: change the maximum client number to 2 again please GM read
Post by: AubreyKY on March 20, 2014, 05:01:39 PM
Agree, my laptop is pretty good but i never lagged this much when it was on 2 clients Max tho
Title: Re: change the maximum client number to 2 again please GM read
Post by: Revenge on March 20, 2014, 05:09:05 PM
+1

less lag in game
less fullbuffer noob player
more fair pvps
Title: Re: change the maximum client number to 2 again please GM read
Post by: Nerros on March 20, 2014, 05:18:31 PM
Agreed, put 2 clients max back.
Title: Re: change the maximum client number to 2 again please GM read
Post by: Motoetoe on March 20, 2014, 05:32:54 PM
Guys I honestly think they are not going to do it, they had it on people bitched so then they had a vote then people voted they wanted the cap off but now people are bitching again, so honestly tough it out and live with the decisions that you voted for.
Title: Re: change the maximum client number to 2 again please GM read
Post by: Motoetoe on March 20, 2014, 07:01:36 PM
+1 for the idea.
Yeah I give it that +1 for the idea, lol so many people play the game in my house it doesn't matter I've got my laptop, my mom's pc (she plays the game), my dad's pc (he also plays the game) and then my dad's laptop and he has it downloaded on there, of course my older sister plays.
Title: Re: change the maximum client number to 2 again please GM read
Post by: CopperField on March 20, 2014, 07:12:02 PM
QQ started xD
Title: Re: change the maximum client number to 2 again please GM read
Post by: Motoetoe on March 20, 2014, 08:57:41 PM
+1 for the idea.
Yeah I give it that +1 for the idea, lol so many people play the game in my house it doesn't matter I've got my laptop, my mom's pc (she plays the game), my dad's pc (he also plays the game) and then my dad's laptop and he has it downloaded on there, of course my older sister plays.

I have the right to vote, so you can gently remove yourself from this thread. Votes, which votes? Those where fullbuffed players made lvl 1 forum accounts to give votes? Laughable. Also stop spamming this thread with your "special" font colour and size, you aren't special. Bye.
Hahaha damn you're an asshole I was agreeing with you and you act like a dick, I am not spamming my shit I do what I want thank you I was just saying that I would have no issue going right back to 2 clients, so you can fuck off :P never said I was special so bye bye you butt hurt bitch over nothing, oh and also if you can't read I am 112 you stupid bitch, I am a dragonscion named Motoetoe soooo you can again fuck off for that comment, I made this forum account to help out a friend and get active on the forums so the middle finger to you
Title: Re: change the maximum client number to 2 again please GM read
Post by: Alakaia on March 20, 2014, 09:07:55 PM
The thing with this is when a vote was made the majority of people were for lifting the account limit. With siege ect you have to remember the characters people log in aren't actually at the siege or BG or w.e they are elsewhere hiding in a corner. Although yes they are logged into the server the fact they are motionless and doing nothing would make me assume they wouldn't actually have that much strain on the server. The lag to me comes down to 2 things,

1. Mass amounts of players fighting in the same place at the same time.
2. All the particle effects of players skills going off in the same place. Even if you have them turned off the server recognises that skills are going off and process it.
Hate arguing with you but it is a little more then 2 things, whether you want to admit it or not population of logged accounts affects the quality of gaming on a server not equipped for it, the information still has to relay back and forth from client to server even if the toons are static, there is still stuff going on around them toons.

Quote from: King Oaksey
The problem with the multi client is simple, if we cap it people will use proxy's and other methods to get around it and people will still complain.
(At least the number of people self buffing would remain lower then what it is now)
Quote from: King Oaksey
Not having a cap opens it up to everyone to multibox
(The ability for everyone to multi client but not everyone can)
Quote from: King Oaksey
and if you can't then you have to go back to old ways, Its a massively multiplayer online game, the idea is to have friends who you work with in order to achieve something
the game isn't designed to be a solo played game.
(That's right the game is not designed to be solo, so why give people the ability to play solo ?)

Quote from: King Oaksey
. All I can suggest is find a group of like minded people and buff together. 80% of you are all in guilds I'm sure its not too hard to get 5 of you together for a PK trip?
( person buffed by 4 toons vs someone self buffed by all toons ? )


There is no reason the admin can not come up with another way to limit the amount of clients people are able to open with a new way that block how people were bypassing it before, many games limit to only 1 client and it works for them.

I was actually told by the admin that it was removed due to the fact that people were having troubles logging in because of the client limit. That seems to contradict whats been said above.


Guys I honestly think they are going to do it, they had it on people bitched so then they had a vote then people voted they wanted the cap off but now people are bitching again, so honestly tough it out and live with the decisions that you voted for.


Not everyone voted for it and honestly those votes can easily be manipulated by people having more then 1 account , and it is well known that people do this in the archlord community been going on since CM
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Title: Re: change the maximum client number to 2 again please GM read
Post by: Motoetoe on March 20, 2014, 09:38:56 PM
+1 for the idea.
Yeah I give it that +1 for the idea, lol so many people play the game in my house it doesn't matter I've got my laptop, my mom's pc (she plays the game), my dad's pc (he also plays the game) and then my dad's laptop and he has it downloaded on there, of course my older sister plays.

I have the right to vote, so you can gently remove yourself from this thread. Votes, which votes? Those where fullbuffed players made lvl 1 forum accounts to give votes? Laughable. Also stop spamming this thread with your "special" font colour and size, you aren't special. Bye.
Hahaha damn you're an asshole I was agreeing with you and you act like a dick, I am not spamming my shit I do what I want thank you I was just saying that I would have no issue going right back to 2 clients, so you can fuck off :P never said I was special so bye bye you butt hurt bitch over nothing, oh and also if you can't read I am 112 you stupid bitch, I am a dragonscion named Motoetoe soooo you can again fuck off for that comment, I made this forum account to help out a friend and get active on the forums so the middle finger to you

The butthurt one in here seems to be you. According to your previous comments you were against this idea - "now people are bitching again, so honestly tough it out and live with the decisions that you voted for."

Ah yes see you got that, but you then proceed to bring it up after I agree with you on your +1 to the post, I also see you gave me negative karma for a little comment I made truthfully. I am not butt hurt I am just laughing my ass off that you would stoop so low, I didn't get a chance to vote at all, I also have to live with the consequences of others actions you are not the only one! I really do hope that it gets recapped but you never know until you try, that is why I agreed with you, and as for my "special" font and colors I am an individual so I like to show it sorry that it "offended" you as much as it did good day and enjoy your game :P
Title: Re: change the maximum client number to 2 again please GM read
Post by: King Oaksey on March 21, 2014, 05:10:38 AM
I can see the reasoning behind your thoughts but the problem is there is always ways around something. It doesn't matter how much you believe there isn't there is always someone who knows a way, that person tells others and then you have people complaining about it. There is never going to be an ideal way to fix this issue. I may not be a complete computer whizz but I'm 99% sure that blocking multiclient via IP will not work and other than that I can't think of another way of doing it. Its great people saying there must be a way of doing it but until an actual idea is brought forward there isn't much that can be done about it. Referring to my point about the game not being for solo play, what I mean by it is the fact people say they can't log more than one toon that's fine just group with friends. Some people myself included could run unlimited accounts if we really wanted to and some do that is their choice, if you however cannot do it then you have to find alternate ways of being on the same level as other players (Buff wise) We have to remember that this server is pretty much the same as the old game with a few tweeks to certain parts of it (Minor changes) and it worked fine for other companies like CM and non of the issues regarding multi client that we have were mentioned so why is it happening now? The game is what it is really, yes we will aim to improve the classes so the game is more "Balanced" and make small fixes like bug hotfixes ect but we aren't looking to change the actual mechanics of the game and how people login / how many clients they can have.
Title: Re: change the maximum client number to 2 again please GM read
Post by: Alakaia on March 21, 2014, 02:59:40 PM
Quote from: King Oaksey
I can see the reasoning behind your thoughts but the problem is there is always ways around something. It doesn't matter how much you believe there isn't there is always someone who knows a way, that person tells others and then you have people complaining about it. There is never going to be an ideal way to fix this issue.

I understand there is always someone who gets around it, that being the case it is usually someone who has multiple computers or a vast knowledge of networking and the format used to block multi clients.

With that said other games have used ip and MAC checking together to stop it.  which only stops people from doing it on the same pc if someone has more then 1 PC well then there's nothing you can really do, but how many people have 3+ computers sitting around and willing to go to the lengths of opening them all and buffing themselves all the time.

It's a pure numbers vs numbers scenario

10 people have more then 3 computers vs everyone having the ability to log in unlimited clients.
whats gonna have a more negative effect on fair PvP ?
Quote from: King Oaksey
I may not be a complete computer whizz but I'm 99% sure that blocking multiclient via IP will not work and other than that I can't think of another way of doing it.
There are several ways of doing in fact and most of the way of getting around it can be blocked and if people are using a proxy or vpn then you can just find the most common used ones and block them as well.
Quote from: King Oaksey
We have to remember that this server is pretty much the same as the old game with a few tweeks to certain parts of it (Minor changes) and it worked fine for other companies like CM and non of the issues regarding multi client that we have were mentioned
None of the issues where brought up about mutli client back in CM simply due to the fact there were not as many party buffs as there is now, not to mention the number of people doing it was way less. Upon that it was a lot harder and slower to level multiple toons, gear was harder to farm and obtain the game was fairly new.

You did not really see a mass of people self buffing themselves in CM nor most the way through webzen.

Quote from: King Oaksey
so why is it happening now? The game is what it is really, yes we will aim to improve the classes so the game is more "Balanced" and make small fixes like bug hotfixes ect but we aren't looking to change the actual mechanics of the game and how people login / how many clients they can have.

Like explained above it is happening now because it has grown acceptable to do over time the amount of people multi client and leveling every toon has increased and therefore creating a false sense of "entitlement and allowance"

Using mutli client with every toon was not really main stream till well after CF was released. It mainly started with 3 people who leveled every tooon to buff themselves then go PK everyone by themselves, not to mention they used bugs and cheats to level all them toons.

It was then forced upon the community to create multiple high level toon to deal with them people thus creating the common situation we have now that it is acceptable.

Yes people used multiple clients in CM but is almost always was just to fill a party and get better xp and level faster it almost always was never used in PvP until a select few way later in the game.

It may have happened in CM but it sure as hell didn't have the impact then as it does now

Title: Re: change the maximum client number to 2 again please GM read
Post by: Natastor on March 21, 2014, 05:06:02 PM
+1 get back max 2 client
Title: Re: change the maximum client number to 2 again please GM read
Post by: ugdrasilMercenary on March 21, 2014, 05:22:13 PM
+1 get back max 2 client

See pro,s dont need that shit around