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General Discussion => Suggestions => Topic started by: hpbooster on January 16, 2024, 05:22:46 PM
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Hello. As you know, Shinewood Farm is a map that takes time to build and requires extra motivation. It's great as an end-game map, but no one is interested in waves 1-2 and 3. In the 4th wave, players follow and prepare for battle. So far acceptable, but the Chinese faction losing the battle always puts low level mages on the map and tries to score villain points and using perma antimagic. This number may be 4-5 or 6. It's really neither fair nor fun to play this way. This is no longer a war. If you think you should do the same, we really don't need to log in and play again. I'm sure you will find a solution to this situation. have a nice day.
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Hello. These types of suggestions should be posted publicly for discussion with other players and not through ticket system. Please create a topic in the appropriate section or I can move ticket to the forum.
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Of course, you can move this issue there, but I and most of those who are disturbed by this situation have already moved the issue there, but I guess there is no awareness yet. This situation has become very annoying and we do not want to play anymore. I am writing to make you aware of this situation and to create a better quality game.
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I 100% agree to remove VP on Shinewood, its supposed to be a farm zone and a fight zone.
VP should be a consequences of you killing someone INTENTIONNALY, not be forced or abused into the situation where you have no choice but to take the vp.
its "Vilain" points, not "Feed" points.
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i agree i think getting VP from a lower level player makes sense in many areas. Even eclipse because of the fact players are also lvling up to 150, so this would be an issue in its own. But shinewood the monsters are level 150..strictly for end game players. You get shards, runes, and tools. Shards to roll possible ancient stats to get OP at this stage, Runes to add ancient stats possibly to OP gear at this stage and once all stats are Perfect on this gear you can tool to maximum. In my opinion this area is mainly for players 6/6 uniques, 4/4 cap, 8/8 gear. For example in infernum it is very fair, every player has an equal chance at the farm. Players can sneak platforms or outrun opponent to get loot. Stronger players can clean others to hold infernum. And if you are outnumbered you can outplay your enemies by everyone possibly getting AOE debuffs as its all vs all. In shinewood there is no counter play once skulled. I feel infernum update was amazing and shinewood also has been, and created competitive farm and something to grind for. But when we are in a situation of being VP fed at this stage i just dont understand. Hope this gets changed thanks
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hello,
Like Infernum, ShrineWood is also an End-game map.
Fight for Farm / Fight for Boss / Fight for Precious item / is end-game map meanings.
so VP poionts shouldn't appeear in this kind of maps. (infernum / Shrinewood)
Free fighting in end-game map is always the place where Justac's attractive, at least I love it
have a good day ingame or life
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Cant believe they did not think about this before releasing shinewood. Probably same reason they wont increase the stack size of the shinewood materials. In the current state it forces the players to buy more CC revive orbs / Letters of pardon / Secret bag / Scrolls.
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This should be changed asap. It makes no fun to fight people who just come to destroy your fun in the most unfair way on this server - VP feeding. CHN is known for this strategy for a long time and it is just unfair towards players who made their 150 chars and now can't fair their opponents because they use low lvl characters to make it impossible .
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there are several ways to fix this.
- remove party system and buffs on shinewood.
*but that would maybe hurt some classes more than others (in case of grinding at Shinewood)
- remove VPs on Shinewood at all.
- restrict chars level to enter the area to 147.
*we all do not know about your planed NEW penalty system, thats why player act annoyed on that topic, which is understandable.
have a nice day
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In my opinion Shinewood need to be lv150 area, and i suggest to make it selfbuff area aswell. This can be good for those guys, who has no buffers, or not that good PC or playing on laptop, and they cant log 10+ accounts to get some buffs and survive in that area. Also would be cool to rework low lv waves, like 1 and 2. So everyone will have more motivation, if they can drop something useful, like reinforcement potions, pet reinf, maybe lucky tickets or something. More ppl will be interested to go there, and not just rat at wave 5-6-7. Good luck to everyone and enjoy if we can.
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I don't agree with you, mages should be available anywhere at any time, low level mages can also enter the map that is fun! Do you think that because the level limit is 150, there are no 150 mages? You're just a poor man who can't buy a pardon!
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You can bring 10000 mages . Just make them 150 and not low lvl because the only reason you are doing it for is to feed VP which is an huge abuse. Low lvls like 130 don't even get drop there so what's the point to bring them if not to feed VP ?
Also calling me poor just shows you have no arguments. People who are abusing bugs or specific game mechanism should get a warning and get banned or just remove such mechanism from game.
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You should be punished for killing other players! Don't kill other players if you're scared! Since when does a killer become a victim?
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I understand punishment for killing low lvl farmers but all you do is feeding vps with low lvl mages. you dont come for farm with these mages. you just come to feed vps so dont act like you are farmers. also this is endgame area where pvp is obvious. stop acting like a kid just because you cant fight properly.
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You should be punished for killing other players! Don't kill other players if you're scared! Since when does a killer become a victim?
kys
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Can't beat it and want to change the rules? Who is the child?
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Can't beat it and want to change the rules? Who is the child?
If the mage is not equipped, it is to increase the PK value, but the mage is equipped to fight, why ask someone to ask for 150 to fight with you? If you're afraid of punishment, don't kill!
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Anyone can use the game rules to play the game, it is every player's right! You can't ask people or officials to change the rules just because you like them! This is selfish behavior! It's also child behavior! Buy pardons if you have money! Don't kill without money!
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There is a difference between a game mechanic and a abuse of such game mechanic..
Shinwood is a zone with mobs lv150, players lv130 or lower have nothing to do there.
A teamfight can last multiple minutes and during that time a mage can feed way to many vp with double revive and the zone beiing that close.
You cant just ignor how infuriating the ''spam'' of any thing can be. When you see more mage lv130 then actually players 150 fighting.the intend is not to fight, the intent is to make the person rogue so it cannot use party buff and by such way not be able to be as strong.
Vilain points are for when you intentionaly kill someone, they shouldnt be something you see on a endgear endzone which we didnt have in Ancient and dont have in Infernum, because THEY are endgame zone.
You arent doing this for fun, but I agree its a very efficient way to tilt and make any fight stop very fast.
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Anyone can use the game rules to play the game, it is every player's right! You can't ask people or officials to change the rules just because you like them! This is selfish behavior! It's also child behavior! Buy pardons if you have money! Don't kill without money!
Better go and do your mage leveling to earn the money for the food to put on the table.
After reading all what u have been saying regarding this, it is clear that u are one of the noobest players of the server who might be able to farm a lot and have full gear but is trash on his char(s) while others who arent smacking u easily with half made gear so u need to level your own little 4 mages to abuse the vp feeding cuz you dont have hands neither brain capacity to do better
sike
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There is a difference between a game mechanic and a abuse of such game mechanic..
Shinwood is a zone with mobs lv150, players lv130 or lower have nothing to do there.
A teamfight can last multiple minutes and during that time a mage can feed way to many vp with double revive and the zone beiing that close.
You cant just ignor how infuriating the ''spam'' of any thing can be. When you see more mage lv130 then actually players 150 fighting.the intend is not to fight, the intent is to make the person rogue so it cannot use party buff and by such way not be able to be as strong.
Vilain points are for when you intentionaly kill someone, they shouldnt be something you see on a endgear endzone which we didnt have in Ancient and dont have in Infernum, because THEY are endgame zone.
You arent doing this for fun, but I agree its a very efficient way to tilt and make any fight stop very fast.
(https://i.imgur.com/yQZvDTq.png)
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#1 We have enough money to buy revive, but you don’t have enough money to buy pardon
#2 The Year of the Dragon is coming, we have a lot of desire for consumption
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Can't beat it and want to change the rules? Who is the child?
If the mage is not equipped, it is to increase the PK value, but the mage is equipped to fight, why ask someone to ask for 150 to fight with you? If you're afraid of punishment, don't kill!
Since you got it all figured out there mr wang162710 why dont you explain to me whats going on in this video. ill give you a short introduction, me and MY friends were farming shinewood from wave 1 (that is bats if you did not know). As soon as it got to wave 4 well...the video says the rest. There is no "avoiding this" you also make no sense trying to claim your lvl 130 and 131 mages are the victims in this situation as someone stated they have no business being there. Why would you need a lvl 130 or 131 or 140 mage in shinewood standing right next to your mains? They cant even get the loot and you of all people should know exactly how loot works. You created a victim case for your mages that is making you look silly because it makes absolutely no sense. Even in this video you can see your main characters ARENT EVEN MOVING. lmfao thats the funniest part. You full buff, just leave your mains sitting until you run through as many anti-magics as you can and btw this skill turns enemies red, you cant be the victim if your actively debuffing someone idk if you understood that also but yeah thats how the game works. Also using your free revive orb + ec revive orb on every single one of these mages making sure to get another anti in and ultimately giving another stab at the players villain points. Until they either give up due to white skull and not being able to party buff, or waiting out purple skull so that you cannot VP feed them and can be forced to initiate the battle allowing us to avoid the VP feed. After you do all this is when you actually try to fight but in hopes that there is no more fight that the enemy ran away self buffed or died self buffed or got white skull. So you can rat the later waves of shinewood without winning the fight knowing well, because you cant win the fight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yV1BDdxtp-M
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Can't beat it and want to change the rules? Who is the child?
If the mage is not equipped, it is to increase the PK value, but the mage is equipped to fight, why ask someone to ask for 150 to fight with you? If you're afraid of punishment, don't kill!
Since you got it all figured out there mr wang162710 why dont you explain to me whats going on in this video. ill give you a short introduction, me and MY friends were farming shinewood from wave 1 (that is bats if you did not know). As soon as it got to wave 4 well...the video says the rest. There is no "avoiding this" you also make no sense trying to claim your lvl 130 and 131 mages are the victims in this situation as someone stated they have no business being there. Why would you need a lvl 130 or 131 or 140 mage in shinewood standing right next to your mains? They cant even get the loot and you of all people should know exactly how loot works. You created a victim case for your mages that is making you look silly because it makes absolutely no sense. Even in this video you can see your main characters ARENT EVEN MOVING. lmfao thats the funniest part. You full buff, just leave your mains sitting until you run through as many anti-magics as you can and btw this skill turns enemies red, you cant be the victim if your actively debuffing someone idk if you understood that also but yeah thats how the game works. Also using your free revive orb + ec revive orb on every single one of these mages making sure to get another anti in and ultimately giving another stab at the players villain points. Until they either give up due to white skull and not being able to party buff, or waiting out purple skull so that you cannot VP feed them and can be forced to initiate the battle allowing us to avoid the VP feed. After you do all this is when you actually try to fight but in hopes that there is no more fight that the enemy ran away self buffed or died self buffed or got white skull. So you can rat the later waves of shinewood without winning the fight knowing well, because you cant win the fight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yV1BDdxtp-M
Why can't you make a low level account and stand by to help you kill these mages? Their mages are equipped! It's not a wizard without anything! China has a method of war: to fight fire with fire! You can do this!
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Thats the thing you dont get.
Why would any sane person use a lvl130 character on Shinewood where you CANNOT drop anything.
Its a waste of gear and money since the zone is build for 150 players.
So your way of fixing the issue is "do it too" instead of make it stop.
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Thats the thing you dont get.
Why would any sane person use a lvl130 character on Shinewood where you CANNOT drop anything.
Its a waste of gear and money since the zone is build for 150 players.
So your way of fixing the issue is "do it too" instead of make it stop.
1. Correct once again going back to the point that every single monster in shinewood is level 150. Please explain to us the reason you bring lvl 130, 131, and 140 mages into shinewood prior to your mains going in running after all your enemies that have skull to continue anti-magic on them until they either die or kill you so you can revive do it again revive do it again. Rinse and Repeat. The only side doing this is CHN you do realize that correct? Yes..other sides have mages but those mages are the appropriate level for the zone its on, actively being used as a real character. Reason everyone else's mages live sometimes...and CHN mages die in 1 hit. Once again feel free to watch the video your just typing to type at this point ive given you valid proof of how the state of shinewood is against CHN in this video just go ahead and press play and focus watch it closely.
2. Not only is it a waste of gear and money but most of your mages are NOT geared. You have 2 mages that are "geared" and they die in 2 hits. When i have physically seen many other GEARED mages living if given an anti stun in team fight and kiting the targets while living through minimal debuffs. Just admit your mages have either 2x eidolons with a fearless, or 2x veng with a arcane and threw together a set to be super fast hit the anti, die, anti again, die, anti again. Its ok to admit you are abusing this and you are bad. There is always room for imrovement.
3. This point right here is the nail in the coffin. You have no fix or solution you want to abuse this because ultimately it would allow your enemies a level playing field and even though you have the same if not more numbers actively at end game level than any other side of this game, you know you cant win. CHN excels at farm, not fight. That is ok, but to think you need to always win so knowing you cant you result to abusing anything you can to secure the win is a shame. This also reminds me of once you realize you cant win a siege you dont show up. Once you realize you cant win a best team event you dont show up. You think Batard union win every fight? No. You think RoG union win every fight? No. But the point is that is the fun part win or lose get out there and have fun everybody focus on fun just from winning and that is not true. The fact we are at end game level and even experience these fights is fun. I think you just need a new outlook on the game all together because your points dont agree with anyone not even your own V of your union. Earn needs to explain a few things to you guys as he is knowledgeable of this game and doesnt agree with half of your rat tactics or abuse playstyle.
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Can't beat it and want to change the rules? Who is the child?
That is the thing you fail to understand. We are beating it, but you knowing you will be defeated you abuse villain points and revive orbs which many players already pointed out this is a strategy used by CHN going all the way back to even before the fire. But the difference here is this is not eclipse where players level up, or casually farm on their way to 150. This place is for level 150s, with end game gear, and end game stats on their way to COMPLETE that gear. The rules you mention is related to areas far different than shinewood. This is a new area that will require new changes. If you dont like the fact you are the only player in the game that is trying to argue to keep the option for you to enter a 150 level area for end game players with a lvl 130 mage to VP feed your enemies to push them out of their own farm times or also to prevent anyone from coming during your farm time maybe try farming archondrite? or running for tesseris and get lucky tickets? both would fit you well
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Can't beat it and want to change the rules? Who is the child?
That is the thing you fail to understand. We are beating it, but you knowing you will be defeated you abuse villain points and revive orbs which many players already pointed out this is a strategy used by CHN going all the way back to even before the fire. But the difference here is this is not eclipse where players level up, or casually farm on their way to 150. This place is for level 150s, with end game gear, and end game stats on their way to COMPLETE that gear. The rules you mention is related to areas far different than shinewood. This is a new area that will require new changes. If you dont like the fact you are the only player in the game that is trying to argue to keep the option for you to enter a 150 level area for end game players with a lvl 130 mage to VP feed your enemies to push them out of their own farm times or also to prevent anyone from coming during your farm time maybe try farming archondrite? or running for tesseris and get lucky tickets? both would fit you well
I like to use low level mage to help friends on debuff, why not? Can't I hit you with a mage if I'm attacked? I don't like grades, okay? I think Mages can fight at level 130! You can also be a 130 hunter to kill my mage, I will not be as persuasive as you! After all, you're afraid of getting punished! I'm not afraid! Because I can buy pardons and easily eliminate the penalty value! There are conditions to fight with the enemy! This is ridiculous! Pathetic!
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Can't beat it and want to change the rules? Who is the child?
That is the thing you fail to understand. We are beating it, but you knowing you will be defeated you abuse villain points and revive orbs which many players already pointed out this is a strategy used by CHN going all the way back to even before the fire. But the difference here is this is not eclipse where players level up, or casually farm on their way to 150. This place is for level 150s, with end game gear, and end game stats on their way to COMPLETE that gear. The rules you mention is related to areas far different than shinewood. This is a new area that will require new changes. If you dont like the fact you are the only player in the game that is trying to argue to keep the option for you to enter a 150 level area for end game players with a lvl 130 mage to VP feed your enemies to push them out of their own farm times or also to prevent anyone from coming during your farm time maybe try farming archondrite? or running for tesseris and get lucky tickets? both would fit you well
Removing the Mage class is a good thing for you!
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The more you talk, the worse your situation gets. Your sole purpose is to farm and there seems to be nothing you wouldn't do for that. I have great concerns about this, do not go any further. By the way, we have no problem buying letters, you are probably at the bottom of the list when it comes to donations. Your manipulation will not work. shameful...
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Can't beat it and want to change the rules? Who is the child?
That is the thing you fail to understand. We are beating it, but you knowing you will be defeated you abuse villain points and revive orbs which many players already pointed out this is a strategy used by CHN going all the way back to even before the fire. But the difference here is this is not eclipse where players level up, or casually farm on their way to 150. This place is for level 150s, with end game gear, and end game stats on their way to COMPLETE that gear. The rules you mention is related to areas far different than shinewood. This is a new area that will require new changes. If you dont like the fact you are the only player in the game that is trying to argue to keep the option for you to enter a 150 level area for end game players with a lvl 130 mage to VP feed your enemies to push them out of their own farm times or also to prevent anyone from coming during your farm time maybe try farming archondrite? or running for tesseris and get lucky tickets? both would fit you well
I like to use low level mage to help friends on debuff, why not? Can't I hit you with a mage if I'm attacked? I don't like grades, okay? I think Mages can fight at level 130! You can also be a 130 hunter to kill my mage, I will not be as persuasive as you! After all, you're afraid of getting punished! I'm not afraid! Because I can buy pardons and easily eliminate the penalty value! There are conditions to fight with the enemy! This is ridiculous! Pathetic!
You like to use low level mage to help friends on debuff while you actively farming with a summoner, orbi, sorcs, that all debuff WAY better and allow WAY more damage on the monsters in shinewood compared to a level 130 mage. Now do you see how you STILL dont make any sense? Yes ofcourse you can hit me with a mage if your main char is attacked, i have zero issues with that as the mage class has skills that allow it to hit other players. I have no idea what you mean by grades but on a grading scale i would say your mages are a D and mains maybe C - that is what i call grades like pertaining to a grading scale.
Once again you are correct mages are capable of fighting at level 130, actually i think you could fight with your mage at an even lower level than that. The point here is...just not in shinewood, it would be pointless because of the multiple reasons a few of us stated above. Now lets say the administration decide to do exactly what 98% of the server wants and take away the chance at getting villain points in shinewood and you STILL want to come debuff your friends monsters with your level 130 mage have at it, i support you! But i sir will pass on making a level 130 hunter because what do i need that for, i have the #1 hunter in the game and its level 150 and i only need to farm shinewood now for tools to finish maxing my gloves and my boots, so it would make no sense for me to make a lvl 130 hunter because i would not receive any tools or any drops for that matter. You understand now? Like if i need to translate it i can but i dont know how else to explain this to you. I get your upset because the player base wants to do away with your abuse of villain point feeding in an area to my knowledge was never set up to be this way. But you also need to take all of these facts into consideration and give this some thought. Right now you are just mad and make no sense. You are smarter than that i believe in you. Also you continue to mention the fact you can buy pardons, can you name one character you have had to buy pardons on? Because honestly i think this statement is a bold faced lie i dont think you can buy pardons at all, nor do i think you have ever had to buy pardons being that your union is the ONLY SIDE in the game that VP feeds. You see why this statement also makes no sense? You are the feeder, why would YOU need to buy pardons? When the fact is, WE are all buying pardons. Also once again even the fact of having to buy pardons STILL is not the issue at hand. The issue at hand is CHN alliance taking over Batard or RoGs farmed waves by abusing an issue we all know as VP Feeding in an area in ALL of our opinion is not meant to have a such thing of this abuse. Once again an example eclipse, this area SHOULD have the chance to get villain points because lower level players actively level and farm in this area all the way up to 150. This is to protect those players so they have something working against their enemy if they were to be perma killed. Shinewood is nothing like this at all, every monster is level 150 and the monsters are harder than any others in the game. You should know, your vp feeding mages die to them on the daily. Even when you full buff at times. I think i covered all bases, and also i think this conversation between me and the CHN alliance's spokesperson is over. #TakeAwayVPFeedingInShinewood - Have a nice day
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+1 remove VP from shinewood